Ben; Toolkit for YNAB Designer & Developer; furiousfalcon; 1 yr ago; 2; Setting Up Your Budget; Reported - view; Welcome! YNAB book topics online: https://support.youneedabudget.com/r/q5w48j. See More. In Mvelopes, I was used to assigning these expenses to an envelope and letting it go negative, and then when we were reimbursed, I would transfer the incoming amount to that envelope to bring its balance back to 0. If I do that, won’t a balance become available in the category when the payment is recorded? I hope that others who are looking to switch from Mvelopes to YNAB finds this information helpful. I HIGHLY recommend you look up Nick True's videos about YNAB on YouTube. paying my current bills) instead of having feedback on how both immediate and long term goals are being met. My next follow up question... in Mvelopes, the balances of the envelopes would carry over. I don't have the extra money to bring it current before month end. Forgot Password? The software cost is considered affordable (1.8/5) when compared to alternative solutions. Again, wait until the next month actually arrives before running the quick budget feature. I'd love to get to a point where I can budget a month ahead. I get that there aren't any funding plans - do I really need to enter all of these amounts every month manually? Mvelopes 4 login is experiencing issues today. I finally hit a tipping point with Mvelopes, too. (Side note, I have my "envelopes" sorted by the time of the month they are due, instead of alphabetically. The budget column only represents how much you have put in or removed from a category in a given month. Im happy to help as well. YNAB is about double the price if you pay annually, but the added features and more importantly incredible support from YNAB justified the price for me. There's really no need to have the income scheduled. This caused YNAB to set the incorrect goal amount to budget for the credit card payment. Not sure how I would do that in YNAB. Personally, I like seeing the “To Be Budgeted” amount at 0 - it just feels good. Then when the next set of paychecks come in later in the month, I fund the rest. Thank you! groceries, eating out, etc.). UPDATE on Sweeping: I discovered that is really not necessary to "Sweep" like I used to do in Mvelopes. I have assigned most of my categories to have a monthly contribution amount and a few to have the progressive. If you're still having login troubles, please contact support at customer.support@mvelopes.com. Get January all cleaned up, then start February with whatever's in TBB. You'll know you're meeting your long term goals because money for those goals will be building up in the relevant categories. I hope you find this information useful. Thanks! and if no, to move money quickly from one category to another so that the Nintendo Switch can be bought. Overall, I am very happy with my decision to switch. But after using YNAB (about 6 months now), I realized that letting categories go negative is very misleading. https://www.youneedabudget.com/the-four-rules/ is where to start. Breaking up a large, generic "savings" category also combats the natural tendency humans have to essentially mentally inflate what we think that money can do. Mistakes will happen -- and have happened to many users, as this flaw has existed from launch -- and you have no reliable indication of an issue until you actually switch to next month where you see a negative TBB. Then when the next month occurs, I take the money out of the "Next Month" category and put it back into "To Be Budgeted" and then use the Quick Budget feature with the underfunded option at the start of each month. 2. March 13 at 8:10 AM. Because money hasn't been immediately removed from your bank, you can let that overspending sit for a short time while you wait for your friend (or sister or boss) to reimburse you. UPDATE: Mvelopes should now be working. Support is wonderful, and when they say they typically reply in a day, they really do. I’m listing the sections below in the order that I did them/discovered them. Either partially fund when paychecks come in or leave in “To Be Budgeted” until the end of the month and then fund. But honestly, Mvelopes had the same problem and it has something to do with Capital One's recent change in security requirements (its news all over Google). Does this make sense? This prevents you from thinking you have money that you really don't. This issue is only affecting members who have the following configuration: Using Firefox version 13.0 or 13.0.1 Is this a problem or just something I can ignore until next month? Related, this post explained the search abilities that replaced the reports I was looking for: https://support.youneedabudget.com/t/q5warf/feature-request-share. Of course, this assumes that when you start the month, you actually have money in the "To Be Budgeted" category so you can actually budget it. dakinemaui thanks for the explanation on the funds amount. Easy to Get Started : Start today by downloading the Mvelopes budget app and use it for free for 30 days, add your financial institutions and come up with a budget that will keep you on the path to financial freedom. I know that the goals are a workaround but it doesn't quite have the same functionality. I used to budget in the future, but that got confusing and potentially leads to underbudgeting. Those available balances will remain in Feb. YNAB will automatically categorize based on Payee, so you will be constantly fighting the tool and making errors. Then I know that our monthly income has been allocated correctly and the actual budget amounts are the "funding" idea that I'm used to from Mvelopes. When my husband or I get paid, I go down the line and choose which categories get money, out of whatever's available in TBB. Thanks for the tip. And like I said, support is wonderful, and that combined with a well-built product with additional features like auto-assigned categories and the ability to delete transactions, convinced me to switch to YNAB. I will check out the videos, I just can't watch them right now while at work. I used to sweep and fund at the star of each month in Mvelopes, and I almost always had enough of saved in “Unallocated Money” to fund next months spend. This is what I do and it makes it much easier, but I realize depending on your situation you'll have to save to get to that point. I'm currently at 91 days and climbing. September in my example) and then enter the balances of these envelopes as of the end of September. If you perform multiple incorrect login attempts, the system will lock your account. Is there any way you can think of to make this work for us? I have tolerated the glitchiness. This is called a budget template. monthly bills like the mortgage, utilities, etc.) The reality is when you do this, you are really pulling money from somewhere else and you just don't realize it, and you are tricking yourself into thinking that money is actually there in other categories when it really is not. Along those lines, these two points jumped out at me... Funds for X: there is more to it than you mentioned, most notably money from last month's Budgeted in the Future is also included. In YNAB, I still assign it to a category for reimbursable expenses, but I fund the overspending with money from savings (again, the money has to come from somewhere until you get reimbursed). I thought I was following along with most of this but now I am confused. I'm sure this will be useful for others who have/will switch as well. I wouldn't run nYNAB without it. In Mvelopes, I was not used to doing this. The equivalent to this in YNAB is setting a monthly goal for each category. Creekside Simplicity I think the one feature I miss most (mostly because I've gotten to the point where I'm a month ahead, so I don't need multiple funding plans) is the "sweep" feature, where you could pick a bunch of envelopes and say "Sweep all remaining balances from these into envelope X". Let's say thats $500 a month, but you get $250 of that from your first paycheck and $250 from the next. I was used to saved budgets and funding plans in Mvelopes. Plan budgets, and track spendings with ease. If you organize your categories into groups this way (e.g. Now I am trying to figure out how to keep the same budget every month like I had in the budget page of envelopes. The monthly contribution goal is perfect for savings or categories that you use for periodic bills where you set aside a fixed amount each month so you have enough to pay when the bill comes. It's simply the True Expense concept applied on a paycheck basis. If you spend more than your available balance, it'll say you overspent. It appears to me that this will act just like the funding plan did in Mvelopes. To resolve, I removed the reconciliation and the starting balance entries and then re-reconciled the account. If we overspend but can't afford to move money from another envelope, we see the red as an "IOU" to that envelope and work to pay ourselves back as we have extra income or leftover money we can sweep into it. If you have other questions feel free to post and I will respond when I can. Regain control of your finances. This is a bad idea. If you setup all of your goals for each category (usually monthly spending goal or monthly contribution savings goal), and then use the quick budget feature to with the underfunded option at the start of each month, this should be very similar to what you used to do when "funding your envelopes" in Mvelopes. Or can I enter them all ahead of time and then when the money drops into my account, just... this is where I get lost. And OMG, I discovered auto-assignment rules! when it's actually March 1), any available balance in any category will rollover. Then when the paycheck comes in, fund the overspending on Groceries. This works for us. YNAB support and education seem much better. Your exclusive access portal to our constantly expanding e-learning library and tools. Most people do their budgeting on the web app, and use the phone to go, "Do I have enough to buy this Nintendo Switch that is on sale?" I have not figured out a good way to do this in YNAB. When you run out of money in TBB, you're done doling out money until you get more money. It would’ve great if you could just click on it to see the activity associated with the number. - Mvelopes Basic Monthly -$5.99/mo or $59.99/yr - Unlimited Envelopes, Unlimited Accounts, Live Chat Support. Usually these balances always match because I link my bank and CC accounts directly and import all the transactions. I use memos for purchases like from Amazon because even though I assign them to the correct category, if I look at them in the future I’ll have no idea what I purchased. All income is categorized as "Inflow: To Be Budgeted", then budgeted out to your categories until the TBB is zero. The budget column in YNAB is reset to zero each month. We also stopped eating out as much and started doing pizza and a movie with the kids on Friday nights instead of going out to eat (much cheaper and kids still love it). He has some great intro type videos that helped me immensely in understanding how this works. I would recommend (if you can afford it) to get to a point when you can fund an entire month using the money you earned from the previous month. I would love YNAB and Capital One to figure something out so this isn’t necessary every time you wish to import transactions, but I’ll take this annoyance any day as I feel YNAB overall is a much better product. As transactions clear, obviously my available amounts will change. It’s so nice being able to reconcile and delete things if you want. I am writing this post because I wanted to share my experience with everyone and let them know how I transitioned and adjusted from Mvelopes to YNAB. There's a third option that is used by most long-term YNAB users who transitioned from the older versions of YNAB. I am assuming it would show up in the available column, right? Mvelopes protects its servers using multiple firewalls and restricted public connections. I realize this may be hard, especially if you don't have the money, or cannot spend money from another category because that is reserved to pay certain bills. Until March 5, your budgeted amounts will be $0, even though you have available balances. Setting the correct goal type is important to make sure that YNAB funds correctly the following month. I would be nice if the system could automatically create this scheduled transaction, but this doesn't happen that often so its not a big deal for us. If so, when I populate the budgeted columns with the underbudgeted tool, how do I keep my available amounts looking like more than I actually have until I get my paycheck and "fund" the categories? I don't have the extra money to bring it current before month end. To do this, just click the checkbox on the category group and then use quick budget to fund those categories with underfunded amounts. The transition to mvelopes 5 was a deal breaker for me and the slow support. When you use the quick budget, you can choose all categories (the default) or select individual categories or choose a category group to fund those categories all at once. I even get replies over the weekend. Mvelopes is a leading cloud-based Accounting-Finance software, it is designed to support small, medium and large size business. NOTE: When I first setup my credit card, I had used the reconciled balance feature to adjust for transactions already paid. The default is to pay the credit card in total each month to avoid building up debt. However, YNAB recommends that you start funding the next months categories as paychecks come in so that “To Be Budgeted” is always 0. There are special goals you can set in YNAB for credit card categories, which are different than regular category goals, either paying a fixed amount each month or paying it off each month, so you can adjust this however you want to manage your debt. If you receive the reimbursement in a future month or after you've paid off your card, the credit overspending will have been absorbed as debt into your credit card balance. Mvelopes Members, We have identified an issue with some members not being able to access the Mvelopes application. For example, if you have a $120 bill once a year, you may want to setup a monthly contribution goal of $10 so that in 12 months you'll have $120 saved. While it may be tough, cutting expenses here and there to achieve 30 days is very liberating. This type of goal always puts $10 in the category (i.e. Let’s hope Capital One does something like that because I too have a CO credit card and it is quite annoying. So at the beginning of March, will my available balances roll over? Your wife may struggle with it; I did. mortgage, utilities, etc. Also what is the Toolkit Extension? When I would make a credit card payment in Mvelopes, I would enter a pending transaction so that my debt was reduced (since I would often schedule this payment to happen later in the month). I don't like not carrying negative balances, but I may simply resign myself to "funding" them via a "rainy day" or "emergency" fund and tracking the real envelopes and their corresponding overages in Excel from month to month until they're zeroed out. The indication of a potential problem is if the current TBB is not $1. Sure, which is precisely the point -- to replace the cash so it's available to handle the next reimbursement. Mvelopes has finally really screwed up this time and I don't want to deal with it anymore, but the idea of starting over is terrifying to me. To me, it's worth the hassle of a new process if it means your money is safe and your system can be trusted at all times. David Johansen in YNAB, the mobile apps, while doing many of the features of the budget, really are still mainly meant for on-the-go category maintenance and spending decisions rather than full budgeting. Show notes in mvelopes view Mv4 used to have a settings option to show the note or tag in the mvelope view. This is where goals become very useful. One of the things I hated about Mvelopes was that I was not able to delete transactions that were imported. YNAB is completely the opposite. With the help of the YNAB support team, I realized that what I really wanted to do was to set a monthly goal for each category for the amount I budgeted in Mvelopes. Please check back in the morning for an update on social media. Switching from Mvelopes! I really like the interface and the mobile application (iOS), and YNAB support is phenomenal! Where do I find it? I would love YNAB and Capital One to figure something out so this isn’t necessary every time you wish to import transactions, but I’ll take this annoyance any day as I feel YNAB overall is a much better product. Spending will total $0 as it will be cancelled by the inflow. In my Mortgage category, I have a goal to budget $2000 a month to that category. I am a couple weeks into my trial so I need to know if it can work before I have to decide whether to make the move or not. (Taking money from "savings" doesn't have any concrete consequences, but taking from Vacation does.) If you run it before the end of the month, it doesn't work as expected because YNAB thinks you are budgeting in the future and doesn't know how much you have available yet (since the month has not yet completed). David Johansen Yeah, there's not one on the phone. Then I would take a saved budget and use that to fund my envelopes. It's a nice knock-on to the new software that technically you can do that now if you have goals set on every cateogry, but the YNAB method is "Here's the money I have right now, and here's how much of that money I can afford to set aside for each of these things I care about being able to spend on." They say when it reaches 30 days it's a game changer, and I'll tell you it certainly is. Vacation? This allows you to always maintain TBB at $0 as recommended but avoids all the problems that are associated with budgeting into the future - the stealing from the future issue, having to flit between different months, having to make too many changes if plans change, etc. I started using YNAB in October. I use Capital One and I have re-authenticate myself every time I want to import transactions. It takes some getting used to, but I think the biggest benefit of this approach is that it forces you to make decisions about how you spend money and where it comes from, instead of doing things like I used to do in Mvelopes like let envelopes go negative month over month to “save money over time” and leave my “savings” envelopes untouched. Either way by having monthly goals set on every category, you can fund very easily by using the “underfunded” quick budget feature. envelope) so your monthly spending total is once again $500. So neat! Well worth $7/month ($84/year). Login. The goals are really just to speed up setting aside money for some of those categories, and they actually cause some problems if you set them aside for every category without regard to how you'll use that category. So much easier and user friendly than the other one was, at least for me. Mvelopes 5 login is working as expected. This will offset that expense, and money will be moved to your Credit Card Payment category to be set aside for payment. It is actually TBB that matters, and more importantly, making TBB $0 (Rule 1). Is there a tutorial video or article describing that? I scheduled an inflow transaction that splits my check by how much I want to fund each category when it comes in. Each user is eligible for one 30 day free trial. I do this once a month to make sure my YNAB balance matches my bank and credit card balances. The trick to making this work is that you must run the quick budget feature and choose "underfunded" when that month actually arrives (e.g. If you are using Mvelopes 4 on Android and want to avoid an annoying extra step to keep using the app, keep reading! We expect these to be resolved tonight. I am a recent convert to YNAB from Mvelopes. If you have a category called "Groceries" and at the end of Feb (Feb 29) you have $40 available, then on March 1, when you QuickBudget and choose "underfunded", the system will calculate the difference between the available balance and the monthly spending goal. ), or for items that had a monthly spending budget (e.g. If you receive the reimbursement in the same month as the expense and you haven't made a credit card payment since recording the expense, categorize the deposit with the same category as the original expense. All of the data is there and it should be possible to get a view of all goals and what it takes to fund them each month, so I was just hoping that was possible or people had a recommendation on how to do that in the app on the phone. This is a little bit of extra work, but I found that it does two things: (1) it prevents you from spending that money elsewhere, and (2) when you start the next month, it’s already funded for you. For example, if you have a category with a monthly goal of $100, and you spent $75 in October, when you use the underfunded option to fund your categories in November, YNAB will fund the difference of $25. When TBB = $0, you will NOT have any obvious indication if you've double-booked funds between now and in the future. Being able to set this amount for all months or adjust for certain months is perfect for me. This follows my train of thought in setting up and learning how to use the YNAB application. This accomplishes the same result. I originally had everything setup as "monthly" goals, but once I realized how the "underfunded" option works when using Quick Budget to fund the next month, I realized that if I changed the goal type everything funded exactly the way I expected. October), my “Funds for October” (which shows at the top of the Web UI) was the sum of all my bank and credit card accounts minus the amount I had funded in September, which is exactly what I expected. Alaskan Otter you can set a goal for each category which will help you budget quicker. YNAB is one of these things that it is worth going full bore and plunging into. So using my HOA fees as an example, I had saved 4 months, or 4x$25 = $100 (for July, August, September, and October). For all of the reasons mentioned above, it is time to move. I'm not an Mvelopes user, but: 1) I image that this should work pretty similarly to Mvelopes. I had a really hard time with not actually scheduling my income, and not doing funding plans anymore. David Johansen in YNAB, the mobile apps, while doing many of the features of the budget, really are still mainly meant for on-the-go category maintenance and spending decisions rather than full budgeting. The Quick Budget feature is for the full month. I have a goal for my emergency fund and I like to keep it at a certain amount (in case something tragic happens and need cash to pay for a hospital bill or something like that). And sometimes I did not catch duplicate transactions and I would end up in a situation where Mvelopes said I spent more than I did, and I ended up creating offset accounts and envelopes to try and fix it. They are, of course, available to reallocate if needed elsewhere (as is ANY category), but until then they're awfully useful backing the reimbursements. All of the categories then turn from yellow to green, indicating that they are funded. The reason why this was important to me at first was because I had no idea where this number was coming from. 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